one question before the game
Big game tonight. Care to argue which new coach is better? Which team has better players? Whether Mexico can score a goal on U.S. soil? It’s been since 1999? It’s also worth noting we’ll have a harder time keeping the ball out of the net without Onyewu there, who after just completing his club transfer, is not going to hustle Borgetti this time around. Bocanegra and Conrad will need to be strong, and Bornstein will need to begin a game like he ended the last. Let us not forget Mexico called in all of their top players. We did not. Which begs a question. It’s not a new one, but one that never tires.
Of all the debates swirling around the US MNT as they head into what most agree is usually the biggest friendly on the schedule, there is one question that never leaves, no matter who or when or where we are playing. That query, and hopefully your answer (as well as mine), are after the jump.
Who are you for, Club or Country?
Take for a moment the last few paragraphs from the Guardian’s feature on Didier Drogba:
“Back in 1992, the last time Ivory Coast won the African Cup of Nations (’I remember that well, watching on television, our goalkeeper Alain Gouamene was the hero,’ says Drogba) English football provided one player for the biennial tournament, the Swansea and Nigeria defender Reuben Agboola. Now there seem to be as many Africans in the top division of English football as there were Scots back then.
Almost every club will lose top players next January and February, when the next tournament is held in Ghana. If their teams qualify, Kolo Toure, Eboue, Adebayor and Song will be missing at Arsenal; Diouf, Meite and Faye at Bolton; Kanu, Mwaruwari and LuaLua at Portsmouth; Zokora and Mido at Tottenham; Sissoko at Liverpool; Martins at Newcastle, McCarthy at Blackburn, the list goes on. But none at Manchester United - and no team will lose more quality than Chelsea. Imagine taking Drogba and Essien out of their team now, while United stay as they are. What would that do to team spirit?”
I’ve yet to read a better example of why this question matters, but it does, in the very least because the parity between the two can have real meaning beyond the esoteric when you consider schedules, and further down the line records, standings, and maybe even a championship.
So which is it, Club or Country? Would you rather your favorite club win the league or would you rather your country win its continent’s championship? More than just heart and pride effect the decisions that force one to choose, be it a player, coach, front office, or fan. Money is certainly no second fiddle, but neither are nationalistic tendencies and bragging rights. On the one hand, club soccer often pays the salaries, but a good show on an international stage could translate to a big transfer check? As MLS gets stronger, and as the US MNT tries to stay atop CONCACAF, not to mention trying to do so with a new coach and a new crop of players, I feel like this question means a little more than it used to.
In lieu of having both, which is more important to you? And how could FIFA et al. do a better job of marrying the two?
Before you put your answer in digital stone, see what some others thought back in 2001 when the BBC asked this question.
late add after some emailers asked for it:
I’m all country all the time, unless we’re talking about music. Not only should international soccer be a best of the best all-star league in theory, the soccer on the field is better on average when talking about US MNT v MLS. I’m typically for anything - including supporting MLS - that improves our national team and brings more games and tournaments on a yearly basis.














Eric
on Feb 7th, 2007 - 10:56am
Put me down is club over country every time.
I’d much rather DC United win the league or Concacaf Champions Cup, or SuperLiga, than have USA win the Gold Cup. I spend vastly more time and money following United. I have more emotionally and personally invested in my club. Whether it be through volunteering to help out with various community projects, meeting the players at functions, dealing with front office staff, there is just more of connection at the club level.
Nationalism is nice and all, but our team is so over-inflated by USSF and quite frankly MLS itself, they can’t possibly live to the hype. Please refer to last summer’s World Cup. Our performance wasn’t out of the realm of expected outcomes, unless you believed the hype machine that was in overdrive leading up to the cup.
Of course, we wouldn’t have so many club vs country arguments if FIFA and the leagues around the world could develop a unified schedule.
kyle
on Feb 7th, 2007 - 11:59am
Country without question. Take Iraq for example in the Asia cup(i think) who enjoyed a day of relative peace simply b/c their country had done so well or the Ivory Coast last summer who had similar experiences with their country’s success at just getting into the competition.
There is no greater event in sports than the world cup and it’s about more than just the game. It’s about the most powerful, unifying, and globalizing event in the world which somehow makes us all feel connected regardless of citizenship, race, or creed. It so often brings out the beautiful side of the human spirit.
The US basketball team should take note as well b/c their total embarassment on the world stage for the past six years seriously threatens the NBA’s legitimacy, in my opinion. Our stars ought to be ashamed and disgusted with themselves.
zilla
on Feb 7th, 2007 - 12:37pm
Country, all the way. I became a fan of the sport because of the MNT and about 90% of the reason I follow any clubs is because they have national team players on them.
derek
on Feb 7th, 2007 - 2:51pm
Definitely country. The world cup is the reason why I am a soccer fan, and the USMNT is the reason why I read your writing.
pete
on Feb 7th, 2007 - 3:00pm
He doesnt say it here, but i think i remember Adam writing something about how likes the US MNT more than MLS, which i would agree with. before MLS all we had was country, so i’m sticking with that. anyhow, my favorite club is Lyon, and they dont have any US players, so its a win win for me.
Jeff Bull
on Feb 7th, 2007 - 4:43pm
I have to go club - but only very, very narrowly. It’s something to do with habit and frequency: the club is with you for months on end; you cope with the ups and downs and generally bond more with the players - at least I do, anyway. The fact that I watch MLS with an eye to the national team picture only deepens my concentration on the former.
The U.S. team is more like dessert - really kick-ass dessert. It’s a treat and one worth savoring.
To add another wrinkle to this - and to detract from my overall position somewhat - I think the clubs owe to the countries to release players. This means that FIFA really needs to focus more on making the two facets work together and less on making money from the game (HA! I know…I know). Synching up the big federation tournaments would be a start; for instance, happy as I am the US MNT is going to the Copa America this year, FIFA should schedule the Gold Cup at the same time as the Copa; ditto for the Euro championships, African, etc. With regard to our region, we should just suck it up and consolidate with CONMEBOL; CONCACAF’s kind of stupid anyway, as I see it. Anyway, that’s what I mean by synching up. Reining in the club competition spazzing would be good as well.
Well, that’s my limit. I’ll be quiet now.
Ric
on Feb 7th, 2007 - 6:56pm
I’m club over country. Don’t get me wrong. I love the MNT, and I’ll watch every game and I’ll rep the team forever (I did think of saying “I like both club and country equally”, but I thought that’d be a cop-out). But I get to go see my club 18 times a year at the stadium; it’s the local team; I get to meet those guys and tell them I appreciate their job. Whereas the MNT is a few times a year (at least from a game viewing and support standpoint), the club is year round. Much of the time, the MNT has the same impact as a pro-sport All-Star game. Fun to watch, fun to have all the names together, but when that’s done everyone goes back to their clubs and business goes back to normal.
pete
on Feb 7th, 2007 - 8:00pm
country without a doubt
flaherty
on Feb 7th, 2007 - 11:20pm
i could not have asked anything more from the man i hate. great play landon!
Jameson
on Feb 8th, 2007 - 12:00am
landon’s goal was great, but what left my jaw dropping was sanchez’s attempted cutdown of johnson! how could the refs NOT see that? if FIFA doesn’t hand down a BIG suspension, mexico is going to get off lucky.
Dis-a-Zero!
Again!
Dave in San Jose
on Feb 12th, 2007 - 10:45pm
Country. No doubt.
I may have to think longer about it when the Quakes come back to town. But currently it’s the USMNT which keeps me on the edge of my seat saying prayers to the soccer gods. Call me a softy, but I can’t be the only one who gets goosebumps when the lads come out of the tunnel to the USMNT Anthem.
I guess at the end of the day, I think of Club as a job and Country as who you are.
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